i have 4 orion cs8s, with 500 watts on them, and they out do anything that i have herd, i had 4 w6 jl''s and the 10''s cannot touch the 8''s i have them in a corolla and the amount of pressure they produce in the front seat is unreal, you cannot sit in the car for more then 5 mins with my bass cd in, ive been messured at 160db...bass are us